Host Matthew Kroenig is joined by Rebecca Lissner, a senior fellow for US Foreign Policy at the Council on Foreign Relations, to discuss President Joe Biden’s grand strategy while in office. Did his administration have a grand strategy, and does President Donald Trump have one in his second term?

Rebecca most recently served as deputy assistant to the president and principal deputy national security advisor to the vice president in the Biden-Harris administration.

NOTE: This conversation was recorded before the start of the war with Iran.